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THE 'DOCUMENTARY SOURCE HYPOTHESIS' Does Anyone Still Believe the 'Documentary Hypothesis'?
ukapologetics.ne ^ | 2005? | Robin A. Brace

Posted on 01/26/2025 10:58:49 AM PST by daniel1212

Should Theology, Religious Studies and Comparative Religion Students Take the Documentary Hypothesis (JEDP System) Seriously?

Are the 5 Books of Moses (The Torah), a hotch-potch of largely unconnected writings by later writers?

The Intellectual Arrogance of Julius Wellhausen.

I recently wrote a letter. Upon reviewing my letter before posting it, I noticed that my letter was structured in 5 clear sections. In these sections I covered five different topics so my vocabulary naturally changed as I moved on to differing topics; in other words, my letter varied stylistically as I moved on to a different subject. I was immediately reminded of the 'Documentary Source Hypothesis.' I found myself musing on the ridiculous possibility that some "higher critic" might discover my letter in 1,000 years and decide that those five sections must have been written by five different writers (possibly at five different times) because of the stylistic/vocabulary changes as I changed my topic! Ridiculous you say? Sure it is, but this is exactly what some have done to parts of the Old Testament (attempts have also been made to undermine the New Testament in such a manner but far less successfully).

I want to introduce our readers to a number of links/writings which expose the sadly flawed Graf/Wellhausen Documentary Source Hypothesis.

Just what is this system (often known as the 'JEDP' system)?

The system arose in the 19th century and was the work of certain scholars who accepted the 'history of religions' school of thought. This was the application of evolutionary principles to the Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible). These people were very accepting of the principle of evolution and rejected any concept of a God who 'knows the end from the beginning.' They believed that the earliest form of religion was primitive and animistic with early man having no concept of One God (Monotheism). Therefore, they reasoned, the concept of One God found in the Torah was clearly an anachronism, being back-projected by much later writers! Their minds were already made up on this point before they even started their "research"- Of course, these people were not likely to accept much within the Torah in any case since they were mostly quick converts to the (then) fledgling theory of evolution.

These liberal scholars who were committed to Theological Naturalism - ruling out any possibility of a supernatural God, set out to deconstruct the Old Testament and were especially interested in the Torah since it appeared to contradict much of their dogma. I was exposed to some of this system when at University but even our 'dyed in the wool' liberal Old Testament lecturer presented the JEPD system with a mighty 'pinch of salt' - he told us that the system has been regularly revised by later scholars and that, while the basic schema is still accepted, much has changed within the overall approach, and much likely to continue to change. Our lecturer seemed intent on being postmodernist in approach and so he seemed to have a 'You can believe whatever you like' attitude. Not necessarily a helpful approach!

Hermann Gunkel along with others of the "history of religions" school assumed that many of the stories narrated in the final text of Genesis, for example, were taken originally from imaginary stories about pagan gods and were gradually transformed by Hebrew poets into imaginary stories about an imaginary Hebrew God in relation to imaginary patriarchs who were projected as founders of the nation. So, if we are to believe people like Julius Wellhausen (1844-1918), Hermann Gunkel (1862-1932), and others of their school of thought (in fairness, Gunkel, who was more interested in the Psalms, thought Wellhausen had gone too far in his literary claims about the Pentateuch), the Old Testament writers were utterly deceitful people with a complete disdain for the truth; moreover, we are asked to believe that a succession of writers over a very long period of time remained utterly committed to maintaining this deceitful and lying approach about the origins and history of Israel! But does that not fly in the face of the wonderful moral teaching (including the commandment not to bear false witness), which we find within the Old Testament itself? Does this theory really 'stack up' ?

Can we really accept the notion that the writers and compilers of the Old Testament were the biggest historical liars of all time? Or should we reconsider the credentials of the Wellhausen/Gunkel gang? We need to understand that people like Wellhausen, and then Gunkel, completely rejected any concept of a God who might inspire every word of Holy Scripture, immediately making the judgment that this could not possibly be the case, therefore any other explanation of the Old Testament was bound to be preferable.

Okay. So how did the 'JEDP' system work? Essentially, attempts were made to find different authors who had contributed to the Torah; this led to the breaking up of the 5 books into four sections, J, E, D, and P. How were the lines drawn? Differences of writing style and vocabulary were looked for (even though all of us change style/vocabulary whenever we change our topic in any written work). J (from the divine name Yahweh -- in German, Jahweh); it was said to have originated in Judah between 950 and 850 B.C. and pieces of it are scattered in sections from Genesis through Numbers. E (the Elohistic source, from the prevalence of the word Elohim); it was said to have originated in the northern kingdom of Israel between 850 and 750 BC. It too, is scattered from Genesis through Numbers. P (the Priestly source, so called because it seems most concerned with aspects of the formal worship in the temple); it was said to come from the exile or shortly thereafter -- sixth to fifth centuries B.C. Mostly made up of the genealogies and priestly ritual described in Genesis through Numbers. D (the Deuteronomic source, so called because it includes mostly just the book of Deuteronomy); the author or editor of this section was assumed to be responsible for the framework of the historical account that runs from Joshua through 2 Kings. D was regarded as having reached its final form during the reign of Josiah, when the priests "found" the book of the law ().

But not all agreed with all of the components, some thought 'E' was the oldest part but others thought 'J' the older part. Various redactors (editors) came along and added bits throughout an amazingly long period of time (according to the theory). Some even thought that there were two Elohist writers, but the work was so closely intermeshed with 'J' that attempts to separate the authors were deemed problematic. It apparently did not bother these Bible critics that sometimes violence was done to the natural flow of a passage, where a particular letter 'source' was thought to give way to another. I could go on and on... But there is really little point; some of the theories became quite extreme and bizarre and it is almost surprising that much of it ever won acceptance!! But we have to keep reminding ourselves that not one iota of real, hard evidence exists for any of it!! Moreover, indications of real unity within the first 5 books of the Old Testament are actually abundant, but - like the theory of evolution which it was largely based upon - it was the right theory at the right time for a group of godless and materialistic pseudo-intellectual 'scholars' who wanted to set up a wholly materialistic model of religious history, without any reference to the supernatural, and, yes, undoubtedly also wanted to make a name for themselves in the new academic world of 'higher biblical criticism.'

In 1966 Professor Kenneth Kitchen wrote, ' . . . Even the most ardent advocate of the documentary theory must admit that we have as yet no single scrap of external, objective evidence for either the existence or the history of J, E, or any other alleged source-document..' (p. 23, Kitchen, K.A. (1966), Ancient Orient and Old Testament. London: Tyndale).

That was written in 1966, but about 40 years later the situation is even more bleak since it is now obvious that no evidence to support Wellhausen's theory will ever be found.

The documentary hypothesis has a number of problems - some of which, the original documentary theoryists could not have been aware of in the century in which they wrote; Kenneth Collins points one out in his essay, 'The Torah in Modern Scholarship' (find link to the full essay lower on this page),

'The documentary hypothesis was originally based on the supposition that the events in the Torah preceded the invention of writing, or at least its use among the Hebrews. This is because Julius Wellhausen lived in the nineteenth-century, but nineteenth-century notions about ancient literacy have been completely refuted by archaeological evidence. The documentarians have not updated the documentary hypothesis to take this into account, so we still find them assigning very late dates to their hypothetical sources of the Torah.... Archaeology has shown that writing was common during the time in which the events of the Torah were to have taken place.'

My Old Testament lecturer was either ignorant of the much greater knowledge of the ancient world which we now have, or he was being disingenuous when he stated that the theory has been greatly revised, and will continue to be, but still stands. The truth is that the very foundation which the history of religions school was based upon (the concept that the earliest forms of religion were simple, naive and animistic, and that belief in one all-powerful God was a late arrival), has now largely been demolished! We know much more about the religion of the ancients than the devisers of the 'JEDP' system ever did. We now know that the belief in one all-powerful God is very, very old - just as Genesis claims! Many obscure and ancient peoples and tribes have now been able to put their side of the case, and the concept of one all-powerful God as an original belief is to be found everywhere. Some of these tribes have even explained how various 'holy men' within their tribes tried very hard to hold on to Monotheism, as more corrupt strains of religious belief - such as animism - later arose!

Today, in the face of evidence from archaeology, the Dead Sea scrolls, and much more available information about the languages of the ancient world, dependence on the Wellhausen theory is looking increasingly unfeasible and, indeed, inexcusable. We now have thousands of Old Testament texts and fragments to compare and in every single case the format found in our Old Testaments is validated - if the documentary theory were really correct surely some manuscript evidence would have been discovered somewhere to reveal the work of these dishonest men and their literary conspiracy? Is not the fact that conspiracies and plotters are always discovered one of the strongest lessons of human history? Let us remind ourselves once more that the documentary theorists never produced a single shred of real evidence for their literary theory! Happily now at last there is a welcome and growing trend among scholars to view the Pentateuch as a literary unit again.

Despite this, there are still websites around which present the Documentary Theory as though it was the very latest learning, apparently unaware that many of the points which they make have long since been disproven/overturned.

The tragedy of all this is that for over a hundred years many Theology and Religious Studies students have been indoctrinated in a system which wholly discredits the claims of the Old Testament to be the inspired Word of God. We have to keep reminding ourselves that Jesus fully backed up the truth and authenticity of Moses and of the 'Law, Prophets and Writings' (the Old Testament), by frequently quoting from it. He based His authority and credentials upon the Old Testament! And yet some who claim to be followers of Jesus have gone along with the practise of breaking the Old Testament up into these (purely imaginary) divisions and sections, even pontificating on whether or not Moses actually existed. There is now no need for such scepticism! How odd that a system can continue to enjoy some kind of existence long after its very foundations have crumbled!! The following links will take you to several articles outlining the serious inadequecies of the JEDP schema. Robin A. Brace 2003 [...]

THE TORAH IN MODERN SCHOLARSHIP By Kenneth W. Collins

ARE THERE TWO CREATION ACCOUNTS IN GENESIS? By Wayne Jackson M.A.

ESSAYS ON JEDP

A BRIEF NOTE ABOUT THE DOCUMENTARY HYPOTHESIS

DID MOSES WRITE THE PENTATEUCH? By Don Closson

THE GENUINENESS OF GENESIS (PDF) By Timothy Lin Ph.D. (PLEASE NOTE: This is a PDF file which has to be downloaded).

BIBLIOGRAPHY Albright, William F. The Israelite Conquest of Canaan in the Light of Archaeology, Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research, 1939. Vol. 74.. Archer, Gleason Jr. A Survey of Old Testament Introduction. Chicago: Moody Press, c1964. Blenkinsopp, Joseph. Wisdom and Law in the Old Testament. London: Oxford University Press, 1995. Harrison, R.K. Introduction to the Old Testament. Grand Rapids: William B. Eerdmans Publishing company, 1970. Free, J. P. Archaeology and Bible History. Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press, 1969. Kitchen, K. Ancient Orient and Old Testament. London: Tyndale, 1966. Morris, Henry M. The Genesis Record. Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1976 P.J. Wiseman, Ancient Records and the Structure of Genesis: A Case for Literary Unity, Nashville, Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1985.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: bibletranslations; jewish; liberalbias
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To: daniel1212
You think that when you post articles with hyperlinks then every one must be accompanied with a notice that it is to their own site? Really?

Unlike you, I host no websites of my own. I don't pimp my own work.

21 posted on 01/26/2025 7:24:52 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Unlike you, I host no websites of my own. I don't pimp my own work.

Dude, again, just what is your problem? You are the #1 actual pimp on FR of an elitist invalid "one true church," often posting sites that do solicit, and likely engage in "Adsense," and you (therefore) find fault with my use of anonymous, free (at my expense), non-commercial, non-solicitous (zero ads, sign ups, etc.) web pages (most of whom still do not even have a back link to the home page yet) in substantiating/supporting an argument and or providing support!

Which thus is not promoting a blog or web site for personal remuneration, and in all my 20+ years only one person years ago wanted to sent me money for this site, but which does not even have a donate button/link!.

And yet you also complained about hyperlinks to just them not identifying the source, as if that is required for such (and as said, url's are is easy to see) vs. posting copied content from someone else.

Thus the warranted conclusion is that your actual reason for your accusation is that it refutes the invalid church you promote, which is an object of faith, the source of security for unregenerate TradCaths, and which therefore results in your recourse to what are in reality more spitwads.

For which the advice of the Religion moderator is fitting:

If the other guy is throwing spitwads at you on an “open” thread it probably means he has run out of ammunition. Take it as a backhanded compliment. You won, walk away.

May God grant you “repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth.

22 posted on 01/27/2025 4:01:07 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212; ebb tide
ebb, now known as BLM/A, is FR’s version of blm/antifa. Just stirring stuff up, tossing explosives here and there creating mayhem while adding nothing to the conversation. Why? Because he’s mentally unable to post original thought.

He can only post daily articles against his duly and legally elected pope….which depending on the day he may say he recognizes the pope or he doesn’t. He flops more than a caught fish.

23 posted on 01/27/2025 5:43:03 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: daniel1212

If I stumble across a chest of gold coins at the sea shore, I’m sure not gonna waste much time figuring out it’s source!


24 posted on 01/27/2025 5:53:20 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
I do actually find such condition to be tragic. May God grant such “repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.” (2 Timothy 2:25)
25 posted on 01/27/2025 6:00:00 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Elsie
If I stumble across a chest of gold coins at the sea shore, I’m sure not gonna waste much time figuring out it’s source!

But that can be a complaint when the gold devalues the currency of another of a mixture of valid and counterfeit coins.

26 posted on 01/27/2025 6:02:46 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212
Yes, unfortunately. Even though it is based on nothing but imagination. And also unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be going away any time soon.

The Torah was written by G-d, not by Moses. Moses was merely a stenographer.

27 posted on 01/27/2025 7:32:06 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: metmom
What is the documentary source hypothesis?

Never heard of it.

You're kidding!

Consider yourself blessed.

28 posted on 01/27/2025 7:34:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: Ancesthntr
The real humor here is that if the Hebrew Bible/“Old Testament” is as full of holes, in other words as full of lies and fabrications, as these people seem to think, then it isn’t just Judaism that is a false religion, it is also all of Christianity.

Most people across the religious and political spectrum don't associate the "old testament" with Judaism at all. To them it is the "chrstian bible" and the very foundation stone of the whole religion. They just see themselves as discrediting chrstianity, which is the only religion they take seriously enough to attack. Which is an insult to Judaism.

Most non-Jews don't a thing about Judaism. They don't know what the prayer service is like, they don't know that it teaches that the Torah is from Heaven. To most people "Judaism" is Portnoy's Complaint and Lenny Bruce.

29 posted on 01/27/2025 7:39:19 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: daniel1212; ebb tide
The author of the article is clearly stated, while if I am linking to my own site, then the author is me unless otherwise stated. Aside from that, I am surprised that you would support the 'Documentary Hypothesis.'

I am hoping that you have misunderstood Ebb. He doesn't seem to me to be the type to believe in JEPD. I know he is a creationist.

Unfortunately, most mainstream Catholics have embraced it wholeheartedly for a very long time.

30 posted on 01/27/2025 7:44:20 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: daniel1212
If I am linking to my own site, then the author is me unless otherwise stated.

That's such a bold and false assumption to make!

Many Freeepers make posts with hyperlinks within in them; and it's ridiculous to assume all those links are to their own websites. Most hyperlinks I link to reveal the author; yours don't.

31 posted on 01/27/2025 7:50:53 AM PST by ebb tide (I don't engage with habitual liars.)
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To: ebb tide; SunkenCiv; Religion Moderator
If I am linking to my own site, then the author is me unless otherwise stated.
That's such a bold and false assumption to make! Many Freeepers make posts with hyperlinks within in them; and it's ridiculous to assume all those links are to their own websites. Most hyperlinks I link to reveal the author; yours don't.

Again, it is your assertion that is a bold and false assumption to make and your fault-seeking objection is vacuous. An author does not need to place a notice of the each safe, informational source - especially with no ads, solicitation - when posting each and every a hyperlink, especially when it is his own material. In contrast, pasting content from external sources is to attributed to such.

And indeed, your own posted articles example lack of notification of sources. For example, the article you posted here [link is to Free Republic!] there are about 8 hyperlinked words to external sources without any identification, but which URL's are easy to see via mouse hover. It seems you were unaware of that, but if you need help, let me know.

And the article you posted here has two two non-identified hyperlinks to external sources without any identification.

This one you posted has 5 to external sources. As does this one.

And the article you posted here has 6 non-identified hyperlinks back to CNN.

And the article you posted here, "His homilies at Casa Santa Marta, often interspersed with tirades against rigorists; his 2014 conversation with Czech bishops during their ad limina apostolorum visit; and his 2016 interview with Fr. Antonio Spadaro SJ," has two non-identified hyperlinks back to the author's site.

Likewise this one.
And this one you posted has about 15 hyperlinks, both back to itself and external sites, none of which have your required notifications!

And all this are very recent ones, and so I am sure I can find more. So unless you are going to tell all such, and all other FReepers (SunkenCiv was just one example) that they are to place a notification of the source for each hyperlink, whether to their own site or external ones, then it is seems rather evident that the reason for your incessant fault-seeking is due to the content of the anonymous free, non-commercial, non-solicitous site - used to save typing and provide support - which you can easily see the URL to via mouse hover. Which again, I will happy to help you with if you find this a problem.

32 posted on 01/27/2025 10:52:25 AM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

You don’t get it. None of my hyperlinks led back to my own blog site, like you are fond to do.


33 posted on 01/27/2025 11:13:30 AM PST by ebb tide (The Synodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: daniel1212
Thanks, when I post an external link in one of my ponderous links lists, I just note it as such, otherwise, those are all to FR topics. External links that are within something I'm excerpting sometimes make it, usually don't (articles in Archaeology mag generally has a link to the source in the first sentence), it depends. When their source has a bunch of really nice photos that we can't post here due to source, it could be a working link, but will state it, "Phys.org" etc.

34 posted on 01/27/2025 11:56:53 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: ebb tide; daniel1212

No, YOU don’t get it BLM/A….daniel isn’t pimping his blog as you do for others….which begs the question….is it you??


35 posted on 01/27/2025 11:58:48 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

If MY hyperlinks show no author, then you’ll either have to accept the words you’ve read as mine, or else chase them down to show they were someone else’s.


36 posted on 01/27/2025 12:59:00 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone
I know that there are a LOT of dead links in some of the things I post.

The fact that hardly anyone complains tends to tell me they do not care to actually click on them.

37 posted on 01/27/2025 1:01:55 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
You don’t get it. None of my hyperlinks led back to my own blog site, like you are fond to do.

No, You don’t get it: There is absolutely nothing at all wrong with hyperlinks back to my own site, just as so many articles that you post do! Also, besides it being very easy to see the URLfor a link, to further help you, a web site as mine is not a "blog" as this one of mine is.

As for you not posting hyperlinks that lead back to your own blog site, there would be nothing at all wrong with that either as a practice - presuming you have one (and aside from its content) - anymore than it is for articles that you post.

And rather than you actually having any kind of valid complaint that would help your case for Rome, the effect of such peevish flailing allegations is that of providing an argument against being a RC, if this type of spitwading is what it effects, sad to say.

38 posted on 01/27/2025 4:00:02 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: SunkenCiv; ebb tide
Thanks, when I post an external link in one of my ponderous links lists, I just note it as such, otherwise, those are all to FR topics.

I was referring to posting hyperlinks (thanks) that do not cite the source, as is demanded by the whiner if it is the poster's own site, yet which many articles he posts do not do, as they link back to the writers own site, but which in which case he finds no fault with these RC sites.

Yet, , since implicit in the complaint is the problem that the reader does not know what site he is clicking on (though I told him how easy that is), then he should require all links - whether to the writer's own site or an eternal source - to be accompanied by a notice as to the source. In your case all those links would have to be prefaced with a notice that they are to FR articles. NOT that I am finding fault with such.

The whole thing simply examples certain RC peevishness against anything that impugns their source of security.

39 posted on 01/27/2025 4:21:44 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: ealgeone
No, YOU don’t get it BLM/A….daniel isn’t pimping his blog as you do for others….which begs the question….is it you??

Certainly RC's "pimp" their own elitist one true (false) church, with articles that can contain links back to their own sites without any notice, which is demanded by me (as if their was money and or signups etc. involved ) with hyperlinks back to my anonymous, free, non-solicitous site pages.

Related: The term "frivolous" in legal documents refers to claims or lawsuits that have no serious purpose or value. Imagine someone filing a lawsuit just to annoy or embarrass another person, rather than to seek justice. - https://www.legalbriefai.com/legal-terms/frivolous

40 posted on 01/27/2025 4:28:57 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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